2006-03-26 17:34:00.0
Pauline: Shall I start with a few comments about P&P?
2006-03-26 17:34:08.0
KHB: Yes, let's begin
2006-03-26 17:34:23.0
suncoast: Sure
2006-03-26 17:34:31.0
Pauline: Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice, published 1813, originally called "First Impressions"
2006-03-26 17:34:41.0
Pauline: First line: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife."
2006-03-26 17:34:47.0
Pauline: Last line:"With the Gardiners, they were always on the most intimate terms. Darcy, as well as Elizabeth, really loved them; and they were both ever sensible of the warmest gratitude towards the persons who, by bringing her into Derbyshire, had been the means of uniting them."
2006-03-26 17:34:57.0
Pauline: Line near the end by Mr. Bennet:"'I admire all my three sons-in-law highly,' said he. 'Wickham, perhaps, is my favourite; but I think I shall like your husband quite as well as Jane's.'"
2006-03-26 17:35:30.0
KHB:
2006-03-26 17:35:49.0
Pauline: For me, the book is all about relationships and character development. You learn a lot about all of the characters. I am interested in what you think she meant with that last line by Mr. B. and what you think his character is.
2006-03-26 17:35:53.0
Pauline: DONE
2006-03-26 17:36:14.0
KHB: shall I go first?
2006-03-26 17:36:17.0
Pauline: Yes,
2006-03-26 17:37:09.0
KHB: I think Mr. B is a bit of a comic throughout the book and he loves teasing Elizabeth
2006-03-26 17:37:42.0
suncoast: Do you think he's a strong character?
2006-03-26 17:37:48.0
Pauline: Steve and I were talking about Mr. B today. I thought he should have kept better control of the girls, but Steve said his was a happy family.
2006-03-26 17:38:05.0
Pauline: I think he is a background character, but really is a strong force in the book.
2006-03-26 17:38:06.0
KHB: And Elizabeth takes after him quite a bit, she has a teasing personality, which attracts Darcy
2006-03-26 17:38:37.0
suncoast: So he is the power behind the throne?
2006-03-26 17:38:37.0
Pauline: Yes, the relationship between the Father and Eliz. is well developed - you can see how much he loves her and depends on her for amusement.
2006-03-26 17:39:06.0
Pauline: I think I expected him as the father to be more in charge, and he does not seem in charge, but maybe he is.
2006-03-26 17:39:38.0
KHB: Lizzy is definitely his favorite. And I think alot of the characters grow during the book, including Mr. B, he learns to take his daughters upbringing a little more seriously.
2006-03-26 17:39:50.0
suncoast: I have always found him remote, & distant from his girls. Except for E.
2006-03-26 17:40:06.0
Pauline: It seems the girls live an idle life, but at least they are happy and idle. They do not have to be constrained to put on a good face for society.
2006-03-26 17:40:20.0
Pauline: It is like he wants to sit back, watch them, and be amused.
2006-03-26 17:40:27.0
KHB: he is a bit sarcrastic with them all
2006-03-26 17:40:31.0
suncoast: He lives in his own world
2006-03-26 17:40:41.0
Pauline: I agree that the relationships and characters grow by the events in the book.
2006-03-26 17:40:52.0
Pauline: Yes, he retreats to his room - avoiding all the women.
2006-03-26 17:40:53.0
suncoast: I think he is glad to have men in the family
2006-03-26 17:41:18.0
KHB: he is a little distant with them all because it didn't choose a wife very well
2006-03-26 17:41:27.0
Pauline: That sarcasm, laughing at people, is a strong thing in the book - Elizabeth and her father.
2006-03-26 17:41:48.0
Pauline: I wonder too about his relationship with his wife - but how could anyone really choose in those days?
2006-03-26 17:41:58.0
KHB: I think one of the central themes is choosing a spouse for the right reasons
2006-03-26 17:42:08.0
Pauline: What are the right reasons?
2006-03-26 17:42:18.0
KHB: I happen to have a quote...
2006-03-26 17:42:20.0
suncoast: Remember the times
2006-03-26 17:42:58.0
suncoast: People still did not marry for love
2006-03-26 17:43:29.0
suncoast: They were still contrained by the British caste system
2006-03-26 17:43:38.0
Pauline: They talked about love developing in the book - choose the husband quickly, then fall in love.
2006-03-26 17:44:18.0
Pauline: I think Jane and Bingham will be the happiest of couples - both are such happy people, thinking only well of everyone.
2006-03-26 17:44:56.0
Pauline: One of the things I love about Jane A. is how she spells out the details - how much money someone has, where they come from, how they fit into society.
2006-03-26 17:45:18.0
suncoast: Did the Austins and the Bronte's write at the same time?
2006-03-26 17:45:21.0
Pauline: Where is your quote Krista?
2006-03-26 17:45:22.0
KHB: oops, I couldn't paste in my quote, but basically she compares love arising on a first interview with its subject to love "based on gratitude and esteem"
2006-03-26 17:45:52.0
Pauline: Based on gratitued and esteem, but based on very little time to get to know someone or so it seems.
2006-03-26 17:46:15.0
KHB: Elizabeth formed an initial attraction to Wickham which didn't work out, but her love for Darcy was built on gratitude and esteem
2006-03-26 17:46:34.0
Pauline: I was just reading the intro to my book and JA died at age 45 - Charlotte Bronte was just born, Dickens was 5.
2006-03-26 17:46:36.0
KHB: true, we don't know what kind of marriage she and Darcy will have
2006-03-26 17:47:08.0
Pauline: That is true - we watched her consider or be considered by 3 men - Wickham, Collins, Darcy.
2006-03-26 17:47:21.0
suncoast: I think if you don't have a marriage based on gratitude, esteem and CHEMISTRY it's doomed.
2006-03-26 17:47:24.0
Pauline: And even in these times isn't it a crapshoot still for marriage?
2006-03-26 17:47:42.0
KHB: 4, Col Fitzwilliam
2006-03-26 17:47:44.0
Pauline: I think chemistry plays a strong part in this book.
2006-03-26 17:48:05.0
Pauline: Yes, four. So really she was looking around and choosing.
2006-03-26 17:48:31.0
KHB: and Darcy is the one who excites her emotions the most
2006-03-26 17:48:33.0
suncoast: The reason I asked about the Bronte's is because Darcy seems like an antihero as does Heathcliff
2006-03-26 17:49:23.0
suncoast: How realistic is it really though that they got to marry for love. Just look at Vanity Fair.
2006-03-26 17:49:48.0
Pauline: Vanity Fair traumatized me!! All that losing of money and place...
2006-03-26 17:50:01.0
KHB: Darcy does start off disagreeable, but we quickly realize his positive attributes... and he certainly gets to marry for love
2006-03-26 17:50:10.0
suncoast: It wasn't a very flattering look at marriage at all.
2006-03-26 17:50:30.0
KHB: Vanity Fair is like a Jane Austen novel gone wrong!
2006-03-26 17:50:43.0
Pauline: Yes!! How about Edith Warton - always depressing!!
2006-03-26 17:51:00.0
suncoast: What I find facinating is Jane Austin herself. One of the first female novel writers.
2006-03-26 17:51:01.0
KHB: That's what I love about JA, she's never depressing
2006-03-26 17:51:21.0
Pauline: And the writing is so strong, that even if you have read the story many times, you are still carried along with it.
2006-03-26 17:51:27.0
KHB: her writing is exquisite
2006-03-26 17:51:37.0
Pauline: What are the bad relationships in this book?
2006-03-26 17:51:57.0
KHB: Charlotte and Mr. Collins
2006-03-26 17:51:59.0
Pauline: Collins and Charlotte - she had to "settle" for that marriage.
2006-03-26 17:52:05.0
suncoast: Darcy's Aunt is a snob
2006-03-26 17:52:13.0
Pauline: Wickham and Lydia.
2006-03-26 17:52:23.0
KHB: Lady Catherine is a bit of a comic, though, too
2006-03-26 17:52:24.0
Pauline: Yes, the aunt and her daughter - horrible relationship.
2006-03-26 17:52:42.0
suncoast: Mr. & Mrs. Bennet
2006-03-26 17:52:57.0
Pauline: I think Mr. and Mrs. Bennet do not have such a bad relationship.
2006-03-26 17:52:59.0
KHB: I can't help wondering if Lady Catherine will eventually try to set up Col. Fitzwilliam and her daughter
2006-03-26 17:53:11.0
Pauline: Who will marry Darcy's sister?
2006-03-26 17:53:18.0
suncoast: Really, either one of them would drive me to drink.
2006-03-26 17:53:49.0
KHB: I think Col Fitzwilliam is a little too old for Darcy's sister
2006-03-26 17:53:51.0
suncoast: They just don't seem suited to one another
2006-03-26 17:54:13.0
Pauline: That superficial silliness - but there are scenes when you can see that Mr. B takes delight in her.
2006-03-26 17:54:27.0
Pauline: But maybe he is just making the best of a bad marriage.
2006-03-26 17:54:35.0
KHB: Mr. B knows he made a bad decision to marry Mrs. B, but he does make the best of it
2006-03-26 17:54:45.0
KHB: yes!
2006-03-26 17:54:49.0
suncoast: That's sad
2006-03-26 17:55:02.0
KHB: in those days, divorce was not an option
2006-03-26 17:55:16.0
Pauline: He amuses himself watching other people and getting joy from the worst of them. That was why I liked his quote about Wickham.
2006-03-26 17:55:37.0
Pauline: And even living separately was not an option for them. Does no one every GET A JOB!!
2006-03-26 17:55:48.0
Pauline: What do they all do all day?
2006-03-26 17:55:50.0
suncoast: There landed gentry
2006-03-26 17:56:04.0
KHB: I think they all live off the interest of their money
2006-03-26 17:56:08.0
Pauline: But some are not well off - and they just take it as their lot in life.
2006-03-26 17:56:25.0
suncoast: It's there job to go to parties, and perpetuate the ruling class
2006-03-26 17:56:29.0
Pauline: Someone had to make that money - she talks about some of them being from families in trade. Even Bingley.
2006-03-26 17:56:45.0
Pauline: It is no wonder they were so interested in gossip and each other.
2006-03-26 17:57:01.0
KHB: Men can go into trade, women can become governesses
2006-03-26 17:57:17.0
Pauline: The Bennett girls do not cook, do not help out the village children ..
2006-03-26 17:57:32.0
suncoast: Also what I find interesting, no matter what culture your from, a woman absolutely HAS TO MARRY or she is osricized.
2006-03-26 17:57:35.0
Pauline: Yes, the outlook for women was bleak - you had better marry well.
2006-03-26 17:57:46.0
Pauline: But Jane A. did not marry!
2006-03-26 17:57:54.0
suncoast: Really
2006-03-26 17:57:59.0
KHB: she wanted to, but I think he died
2006-03-26 17:58:02.0
Pauline: We saw her Chawton house and the table she wrote at last May, then went to her grave in Winchester.
2006-03-26 17:58:16.0
Pauline: I remember reading there was an early love in her life.
2006-03-26 17:58:20.0
suncoast: Wow!!!
2006-03-26 17:58:30.0
KHB: so then she turned to writing
2006-03-26 17:58:34.0
Pauline: I have photos of it on the website.
2006-03-26 17:58:49.0
Pauline: I think writing was her creative outlet - lucky for us!
2006-03-26 17:59:05.0
Pauline: It is amazing that these books are so old - over 200 years - but are still so easy to read.
2006-03-26 17:59:10.0
KHB: yes, luckily she didn't just stick to writing letters like most women of her day
2006-03-26 17:59:13.0
suncoast: I have pretty much come to the conclusion that I probably would have been burnt at the stake.
2006-03-26 17:59:33.0
Pauline: I would have been a servant and never had a minute to think about anything.
2006-03-26 17:59:44.0
suncoast: Did she have any brother's or sisters
2006-03-26 18:00:04.0
KHB: yes, I know she had sisters, perhaps brothers, I can't remember
2006-03-26 18:00:15.0
Pauline: Her sister Cassandra was very close to her. Cassandra and her mother are buried in Chawton - we saw the graves.
2006-03-26 18:00:25.0
suncoast: Did she live independently or with her parents?
2006-03-26 18:00:31.0
Pauline: And a brother - it was his house in Chawton. I think two brothers?
2006-03-26 18:00:32.0
KHB: with her family
2006-03-26 18:00:46.0
Pauline: Always with her family. She had no money of her own.
2006-03-26 18:00:54.0
KHB: again, women really didn't live independently
2006-03-26 18:01:03.0
suncoast: Give me the year again. Was it early 1800's?? During the French regency?
2006-03-26 18:01:14.0
KHB: yes, early 1800s
2006-03-26 18:01:31.0
KHB: all those dresses with Empire waists
2006-03-26 18:01:31.0
Pauline: The scene where Eliz walks to the Bingley house when Jane is sick and they were all so astonished - the book says it was only a 3 mile walk!
2006-03-26 18:01:54.0
KHB: Elizabeth was quite the sporty thing for those times
2006-03-26 18:02:08.0
KHB: she's always walking
2006-03-26 18:02:13.0
Pauline: She died in 1817. This book was written late 1700s early 1800s.
2006-03-26 18:02:32.0
Pauline: And you can still walk on those same footpaths in England.
2006-03-26 18:02:52.0
suncoast: Did you walk it Pauline?
2006-03-26 18:04:03.0
Pauline: Chawton is now a busy suburb of London!! You can still see the old village, but it is close to built up areas. We only walked thru the village - but I have a book that tells you walks from her first home - we will do that in May.
2006-03-26 18:04:07.0
Pauline: Lets talk about Wickham. Was he a free spirit or a bad person who used people and thought only of himself.
2006-03-26 18:04:14.0
KHB: Speaking of travel... Wasn't it interesting when they went to tour Pemberly? I never thought of people in those days going to sightsee manor homes like that.
2006-03-26 18:04:39.0
suncoast: I vote for the last one.
2006-03-26 18:04:46.0
suncoast: A user
2006-03-26 18:04:52.0
Pauline: We toured Owlpen Manor in the Cotswolds last May. It is open 3 days a week. The family still live there!! They move to the kitchen and their office when the house is open!!!
2006-03-26 18:05:13.0
suncoast: That's why I LOVE England!!
2006-03-26 18:05:27.0
Pauline: I think he was a user too. Did Mr. B like him because he would be interesting - getting into predicaments?
2006-03-26 18:05:47.0
KHB: Mr. B was being sarcastic I think
2006-03-26 18:05:52.0
Pauline: Lydia was so hard to take - it was a pleasure to see her tied to Wickham.
2006-03-26 18:05:54.0
suncoast: I'm beginning not to like Mr. B very much either
2006-03-26 18:06:18.0
Pauline: Mr. B filled some type of purpose in the novel...
2006-03-26 18:06:23.0
KHB: Lydia was a very naughty girl!
2006-03-26 18:06:30.0
suncoast: What, as Puck
2006-03-26 18:06:52.0
Pauline: The observer maybe. Someone who would rather see people make mistakes because it is more interesting?
2006-03-26 18:07:00.0
Pauline: What is Puck from - I don't remember.
2006-03-26 18:07:16.0
KHB: Midsummer Nights Dream
2006-03-26 18:07:18.0
suncoast: Why do you always have one sister (except in Little women) who's a bad girl?
2006-03-26 18:07:40.0
suncoast: Well I guess Amy might quailify
2006-03-26 18:08:12.0
KHB: I think Jane had to give them all distinct personalities so we could tell them apart
2006-03-26 18:08:18.0
suncoast: Puck is the character who set's things in motion and then watches the consequences.
2006-03-26 18:08:21.0
KHB: 5 girls is alot
2006-03-26 18:08:34.0
Pauline: Plus the mother, just an older version of the younger ones.
2006-03-26 18:08:50.0
Pauline: I loved the relationship between Jane and Eliz.
2006-03-26 18:08:52.0
KHB: yes, 6 girls!
2006-03-26 18:09:04.0
suncoast: And then there's Elizabeth, the shining example
2006-03-26 18:09:27.0
KHB: I think Jane and Lizzy have one of the best relationships in all of Jane's books
2006-03-26 18:09:33.0
Pauline: As we talk, I think Mr. B is the real mystery of the book. We understand the others better.
2006-03-26 18:09:33.0
suncoast: Jane was very sweet.
2006-03-26 18:09:45.0
Pauline: Jane was very sweet!!!
2006-03-26 18:10:06.0
KHB: Mr. B is unlike any of other Austen's characters
2006-03-26 18:10:08.0
suncoast: Not a mysterious bone in her body
2006-03-26 18:10:20.0
Pauline: Jane is just a good girl and a good person.
2006-03-26 18:10:35.0
Pauline: Do we all identify with Eliz? I do.
2006-03-26 18:10:37.0
KHB: at the end she says " He delighted in going to Pemberly, especially when he was least expected."
2006-03-26 18:10:39.0
suncoast: Again, like Meg in Little Women and Melanie in Gone with the Wind
2006-03-26 18:11:14.0
Pauline: Maybe the good person and the bad person are there to set the limits and to show the main character in contrast.
2006-03-26 18:11:24.0
suncoast: Good point
2006-03-26 18:11:46.0
Pauline: I don't think JA came up with the idea of hate turning into love - but since this book, it seems to have become a very popular plot device.
2006-03-26 18:11:54.0
KHB: yes, and Elizabeth is not all goodness, we like all the more for that
2006-03-26 18:12:12.0
suncoast: Do you think they really hated each other??
2006-03-26 18:12:13.0
Pauline: One of Shakespear's plays had the hate turning to love, didn't it? Would JA have read Shakespear?
2006-03-26 18:12:41.0
Pauline: At the first, yes. She was beneath him. He insulted her that first time they met. She was furious when she turned him down.
2006-03-26 18:12:43.0
KHB: yes, she would have read Taming of The Shrew I think, but the plot is very different
2006-03-26 18:12:43.0
suncoast: Only Taming of the Shrew kinda
2006-03-26 18:12:59.0
Pauline: I don't really know Taming of the Shrew.
2006-03-26 18:13:07.0
suncoast: Elizabeth is NOT a shrew
2006-03-26 18:13:23.0
Pauline: That is true.
2006-03-26 18:13:31.0
KHB: no there really isn't much in common with Taming of the Shrew
2006-03-26 18:13:42.0
suncoast: What is the definition of a Shrew anyway??
2006-03-26 18:13:49.0
Pauline: So, maybe this was the first novel with that plot?
2006-03-26 18:14:00.0
Pauline: I think it is a bird
2006-03-26 18:14:07.0
KHB: I actually think JA's novels are pretty original, they've been copied so much since that that sometimes seem familiar
2006-03-26 18:14:51.0
suncoast: I like the analogy of a magnet. When they are held to each other as opposites they repel each other, but flip um and you can't pry them apart.
2006-03-26 18:14:55.0
Pauline: Clueless (movie) was the modern interpretation of Emma - I reread Emma and mapped out all the relationshisps and everyone was there in Clueless. A wonderful movie.
2006-03-26 18:15:23.0
Pauline: I like that magnet theory! Obviously there was strong chemistry in their initial reactions.
2006-03-26 18:15:25.0
KHB: yes, and did you see Bride and Prejudice?
2006-03-26 18:15:30.0
Pauline: Yes - loved it!!
2006-03-26 18:15:34.0
suncoast: I like Emma better than P&P
2006-03-26 18:15:49.0
KHB: Emma over P&P, really?!
2006-03-26 18:15:53.0
Pauline: I think I like Emma, P&P and S&S equally.
2006-03-26 18:16:16.0
Pauline: But P&P has a special place because of the Darcy character - for me he is so romantic.
2006-03-26 18:16:23.0
KHB: I have to say that P&P is my favorite, though I love the others
2006-03-26 18:16:33.0
Pauline: And in P&P the love story is the strongest, I think.
2006-03-26 18:16:40.0
suncoast: Okay, why is he so romanitc?
2006-03-26 18:16:55.0
KHB: and Elizabeth is my absolute favorite Austen heroine
2006-03-26 18:16:57.0
Pauline: Because he is dark and brooding and aloof.
2006-03-26 18:17:16.0
suncoast: Would you really want a man with those characteristics?
2006-03-26 18:17:22.0
KHB: his first description is “his fine, tall person, handsome features, noble mien”
2006-03-26 18:17:22.0
Pauline: I agree Krista - I think P&P is my favorite - I have read it the most often.
2006-03-26 18:17:44.0
Pauline: Yes, because once he becomes devoted to you, he is true to you - as he was to his sister.
2006-03-26 18:17:45.0
suncoast: I want someone who's dark, handsome, fun and approachable.
2006-03-26 18:17:58.0
Pauline: Wickham!
2006-03-26 18:18:07.0
suncoast: Ah Ha
2006-03-26 18:18:10.0
KHB: kind of intimidating I think, but I learn to love him
2006-03-26 18:18:42.0
KHB: Wickham's first description: “he had all the best part of beauty, a fine countenance, a good figure and very peasing address”
2006-03-26 18:18:47.0
suncoast: He does have a mystique about him though
2006-03-26 18:18:53.0
Pauline: The book takes my breath away. It is like a mystery, but about romance - who will marry who, will they be happy?
2006-03-26 18:19:21.0
Pauline: There is something intense and not frivolous about Darcy.
2006-03-26 18:19:30.0
KHB: and I like the fact that Elizabeth is the intelligent one of the bunch and she becomes the biggest success
2006-03-26 18:19:48.0
Pauline: Yes, not the most beautiful, but the most intelligent.
2006-03-26 18:19:49.0
suncoast: Geez Pauline, I never knew you had this side.
2006-03-26 18:20:05.0
Pauline: Definately!
2006-03-26 18:20:07.0
KHB: intense and not frivolous, what a great description of Darcy!
2006-03-26 18:20:36.0
suncoast: Well, my all time favorite male fiction man is Rhett Bulter.
2006-03-26 18:20:39.0
KHB: and he loves Elizabeth more than she loves him throughout the book
2006-03-26 18:20:50.0
suncoast: Butler
2006-03-26 18:20:50.0
Pauline: Serious in his family obligations, dedicated to his friends (even when he warns Bingley away from Jane, he is doing it with good intentions - he thinks she does not love him).
2006-03-26 18:21:10.0
Pauline: Yes - that is true! He is very in love from early on.
2006-03-26 18:21:26.0
KHB: Darcy is serious to a fault and that is why he is atracted to lively Lizzy
2006-03-26 18:21:35.0
Pauline: (Did you see Clark Gable in It Started in Naples with Sofia Loren - filmed on Capri!!)
2006-03-26 18:21:40.0
suncoast: Good observation
2006-03-26 18:21:55.0
Pauline: Yes, that is true - she will make his life more fun, I think.
2006-03-26 18:21:58.0
suncoast: No, I will have to get it.
2006-03-26 18:22:05.0
KHB: it's great
2006-03-26 18:22:19.0
Pauline: It comes on TV frequently.
2006-03-26 18:22:33.0
suncoast: Clark Gable does a good Rhett Butler, but to get the real measure of the man you have to read the book.
2006-03-26 18:22:41.0
KHB: yes, I think JA even says at the end how Darcy's sister is amazed at how lively Elizabeth is toward her brother
2006-03-26 18:22:45.0
suncoast: Sorry off track
2006-03-26 18:22:50.0
Pauline: Who saw the recent movie version of P&P? We saw it last week.
2006-03-26 18:23:02.0
Pauline: With only 3 of us I think we can talk about whatever we want!!
2006-03-26 18:23:10.0
suncoast: Haven't seen it yet, but my girls loved it.
2006-03-26 18:23:20.0
KHB: I'm anxious to see it
2006-03-26 18:23:26.0
Pauline: The Darcy character is well done.
2006-03-26 18:23:36.0
Pauline: It is out on DVD now.
2006-03-26 18:23:41.0
suncoast: I loved Olivier
2006-03-26 18:23:47.0
Pauline: They had to leave a lot out of it.
2006-03-26 18:24:00.0
suncoast: They always do, it drives me crazy
2006-03-26 18:24:03.0
Pauline: I have that old version of P&P but have not watched it yet.
2006-03-26 18:24:05.0
KHB: The BBC Colin Firth version is the classic
2006-03-26 18:24:25.0
Pauline: A friend of mine in Canada actually KNOWS Colin Firth!!
2006-03-26 18:24:38.0
suncoast: Double Wow!!
2006-03-26 18:24:42.0
KHB: they left out alot in the Olivier version and they changed Lady Catherine to a nice person
2006-03-26 18:24:54.0
Pauline: She LOVED him as Darcy, but once she became friends wth him, it ruined the movie for her. Now just sees "Colin" not Mr. Darcy.
2006-03-26 18:25:04.0
KHB: really!
2006-03-26 18:25:21.0
Pauline: Their kids go to the same school (his kid he had with Meg Tilley).
2006-03-26 18:25:27.0
KHB: I confess I love Bridget Jones' Diary, too
2006-03-26 18:25:47.0
Pauline: I totally loved that book. Read it straight thru in a hotel room in NYC while Steve was working!!
2006-03-26 18:25:51.0
suncoast: I haven't seen that on either
2006-03-26 18:25:55.0
KHB: and the movie?
2006-03-26 18:26:02.0
Pauline: Read the book - it is brilliant.
2006-03-26 18:26:14.0
Pauline: I liked the movie.
2006-03-26 18:26:22.0
KHB: yes, I've read it and the sequel, loved them both and both movies
2006-03-26 18:26:25.0
suncoast: Okay, on my next book on tape from the library or Amazon order
2006-03-26 18:26:31.0
Pauline: She was very original in that book I think. I read both books.
2006-03-26 18:26:48.0
Pauline: It was loosely based on P&P really, wasn't it?
2006-03-26 18:26:56.0
KHB: yes, very
2006-03-26 18:27:13.0
Pauline: And so funny that Colin Firth played Darcy in the movie version.
2006-03-26 18:27:16.0
suncoast: What's the title really saying about the novel??
2006-03-26 18:27:19.0
KHB: and the whole Colin Firth playing Darcy was brilliant
2006-03-26 18:27:29.0
Pauline:
2006-03-26 18:27:44.0
suncoast: Satire at it's best.
2006-03-26 18:27:55.0
Pauline: Pride and Prejudice - he had pride and I think she was prejudiced against him because of his manner.
2006-03-26 18:28:09.0
KHB: so why do you think JA changed the title from First Impressions to P&P?
2006-03-26 18:28:23.0
suncoast: Catchier title
2006-03-26 18:28:27.0
Pauline: P&P has a better ring to it.
2006-03-26 18:28:30.0
suncoast: Alot pithier
2006-03-26 18:28:32.0
KHB: yes, I agree
2006-03-26 18:28:43.0
Pauline: We are coming up to 7:30 - that hour went fast!!
2006-03-26 18:28:51.0
Pauline: Any last comments?
2006-03-26 18:28:57.0
suncoast: Do you think the title was a social commentary?
2006-03-26 18:28:59.0
KHB: and I think they were both proud and prejudiced at times
2006-03-26 18:29:25.0
KHB: I think the title also goes well with Sense and Sensibility
2006-03-26 18:29:35.0
Pauline: Emma and ??
2006-03-26 18:29:41.0
suncoast: Kind of like her trade mark
2006-03-26 18:29:51.0
KHB: She should have come up with a better title for Emma
2006-03-26 18:29:58.0
suncoast: LOL
2006-03-26 18:29:59.0
Pauline: Yes, probably.
2006-03-26 18:30:13.0
KHB: If she had had more time, she probably would have
2006-03-26 18:30:24.0
suncoast: Well ladies it's been great. Next month Pi
2006-03-26 18:30:49.0
KHB: Thank you so much Pauline, even though it was just the 3 of us, it was really a great chat!
2006-03-26 18:31:06.0
Pauline: Thanks for coming tonight - I was afraid it was just going to be me!! This was a great discussion and lots of fun. The next one is the night before we leave for England!!
2006-03-26 18:31:06.0
suncoast: Yes thanks Pauline
2006-03-26 18:31:14.0
Pauline: Bye!!
2006-03-26 18:31:26.0
KHB: so you'll be packing as you're chatting?
2006-03-26 18:31:29.0
suncoast: Are you going crazy trying to get ready?
2006-03-26 18:31:39.0
Pauline: And freaking - I ALWAYS freak out before a trip.
2006-03-26 18:31:54.0
suncoast: Well good luck,
2006-03-26 18:31:54.0
Pauline: Hopefully I will have all of April to get organized and ready!!
2006-03-26 18:32:03.0
suncoast: Night
2006-03-26 18:32:14.0
KHB: then the chat about Pi will be good for you
2006-03-26 18:32:23.0
Pauline: Yes, I think it will.
2006-03-26 18:32:31.0
Pauline: See you on the board!!
2006-03-26 18:32:34.0
KHB: thanks again, bye