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We are planning a trip of 3 or 4 weeks staying in the area which we normally drive through without stopping to look around ... the western part of Picardy and the parts of Ile-de-France and Normandy that are north of the Seine.

At first glance this can seem a relatively dull part of France, but while planning I have been reminded what an extraordinary wealth of places there are to explore. To begin with: cathedrals at St-Omer, Amiens, Soissons, Senlis, St-Denis, Beauvais and Rouen; palaces and grand chateaux at Chantilly, Compiègne and Ecouen; abbeys at Valloires, Royaumont and St Wandrille; noted art museums at Amiens and Rouen and shrines to Impressionism at Auvers-sur-Oise and Giverny; Etretat, Fécamp, Dieppe and Eu along the Normandy coast; and countless small towns and villages mentioned by Michelin as worth a visit. Even Le Havre is said to be good in parts!

It's a salutary reminder that no part of France can be written off as dull!

I already have enough ideas for several trips, but if you have any must-see recommendations I should be very pleased to add them to my list!
 
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This sounds WONDERFUL to me! I've only been out to Giverny three or four times and one time to Rouen on the way to Mont St-Michel, but I've often thought I'd like to explore this whole area more.

When are you doing this? Will you report back to us with every detail? Wink Grin
 
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A really pretty village right on a curve of the Seine is la Roche-Guyon (listed as one of France's Most Beautiful Villages). The chateau and garden are the main attractions. Drive up onto the ridge road and you have great views in two directions. La Roche-Guyon is just down the road from Giverny and the countryside round about is very pretty.

There are other MBVs north of the Seine but that's the only one we've been to.

We'll be going to upper Normandy this fall too, so we'd be interested in knowing more about what you narrow your trip down to. It's hard for us to know what to cut!
 
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A really pretty village ... is la Roche-Guyon
Thanks for that.

I'll report back in August.
 
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Etretat, Fécamp
Shannon and I visited both towns last September on a day trip from Honfleur. We both really liked Etretat, especially the quiet waterfront. We were there on a brilliantly beautiful day, with just a touch of coolness to the breeze. A nice memory!

In Fécamp we toured the Palais Bénédictine where Bénédictine and B&B liqueur is still made. (Free sample after the tour! Wink )

The palace is a stunning building. (See photo below, taken from inside the museum.) Although the artwork inside was interesting, it was more "collections" of things rather than anything extraordinary. Its display of spices and herbs from around the world was eye-opening, though.

 
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I would love to go back to Normandy - I did not think it was dull at all! Loved the villages, loved the beach towns, loved Bayeax.

What we could use are some restaurant reviews of the area, because Colleen and I had more misses than hits in the dining department in Normandy. I think our best meal was take out schwarmas. So if you have some good meals, please post some reviews so we will be prepared for the next trip. Big Grin
 
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la Roche-Guyon (listed as one of France's Most Beautiful Villages

Thanks for reminding me of the "plus beaux villages de France". In fact, there seem to be only three others north of the Seine: Lyons-la-Forêt (which I'll add to my list), Gerberoy (which is already on it) and Parfondeval (which is too far east for this trip.)

The fact that there are only three goes along with the view that the north of France is relatively "dull" (lacking in prettiness.) However, searching for PBVFs has led me to an excellent website Villages of France which lists not only the members of the "plus beaux villages de France" association but also others identified as "villages de charme". I'm not sure who has selected this latter set but there are many good ideas there.
 
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There’s also the Villes et villages fleuri scheme. You can check their website for 4-flower and 3-flower towns. The judging is going on now that will permit villages to put up a placard in 2009. We’ve seen some villages almost buried under flowers that only merited the 2-flower award and we thought the 4-flower towns would probably not be safe for someone with a weak constitution.

Have you found Michelin to be fairly stingy with its green designation for scenic roads? We’ll be bowling along through really lovely countryside and I have to warn my husband, “Not scenic! Michelin says this is not scenic!”
 
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Have you found Michelin to be fairly stingy with its green designation for scenic roads?
Yes, often. But in other places we feel that they are excessively generous. Sometimes it seems that a road simply has to pass through a wood for it to be classed as scenic. The selection is clearly subjective. But having said that we still often go out of our way to drive along a green-stripe road.
 
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Well, we’ve returned so here are some notes on our experiences.

We had one of the best holidays ever.

At the beginning of the thread I referred to the north as a relatively dull part of France. This is an impression that is particularly easy for us British to get as we hurry away southwards from the channel ports on roads that generally run straight over fairly flat plains covered with wide arable fields. Where the roads pass through towns and villages these often seem drab, and of course many suffered severe damage in the World Wars.

However, we have found that as soon as you get away from the main roads there is just as much to delight in as anywhere in France. In fact, the concentration of places of interest is probably greater than in most regions because the population has historically been relatively high and the area has experienced (or suffered from) more history!

Apart from all the places listed in the guide books it is remarkable how many chateaux there are. Searching them out on the Michelin map, or having them pop up unexpectedly as you round a bend, is one of the greatest joys of French travel.

And one of the most remarkable things is that there hardly any tourists, so the region makes for great travelling.

France is (by European standards) a large country and even in more densely populated parts there is plenty of nature to enjoy. We love the forests and rivers and lakes and rolling country lanes and we spent much of our time “pottering” around. Another of the great joys of France is how easy it is to park on the roadside verges and lay-bys, especially beside rivers and lakes, so we spent happy hours just sitting and waiting to see what wild-life appeared. Even the coast is accessible. When we were in Normandy we nearly didn’t go to the coast for fear of July crowds, but last week in the summer sunshine we found ourselves in a nearly deserted car-park (free!) beside a little bay looking along the fabulous chalk cliffs of the “Alabaster Coast.”

The whole region is so lovely, it is difficult to pick out specific areas to recommend, but here are a few suggestions:
- the river valleys near Montreuil-sur-Mer (the Course running down from the north and the Canche from the south-east); these are fast-flowing, clear trout streams running through delightful villages
- the limestone country between Senlis and Beauvais; the country is pleasantly undulating and the villages are built of the beautiful golden stone
- more limestone country (the Vexin region) north of the Seine around les Andelys, Giverny, La Roche-Guyon, Gisors, etc.
- the Valois region east of Senlis; the countryside is not quite so pretty perhaps, but the villages seemed a bit smarter (perhaps because they are closer to Paris)
- the Bray region south-east of Dieppe
- the Alabaster Coast where chalk cliffs run almost unbroken, except for harbours and bays, from near the Somme estuary to Le Havre.

Chantilly was the outstanding tourist attraction we visited and it exceeded all expectations. For anyone interested in art we could not recommend it too highly and we imagine the same would be true for horse lovers.

Valloires abbey was worth a visit for the chapel alone. The other two abbeys we visited were disappointing. Royaumont did not deserve the two stars awarded by Michelin and Moncel scarcely deserved a mention in the guide let alone the star. We paid for visits to a few other places which probably don’t deserve special mention here. However, we generally enjoyed these visits and learned the lesson that we should not be afraid of guided tours, which in the past we have often tended to avoid. Sometimes the guide will do the tour in English or offer occasional explanations in English, but even where the guide speaks no English it is generally possible to pick up enough of the gist of what he or she is saying.

The towns we remember enjoying best for their atmosphere included:
- Montreuil-sur-Mer (a lovely centre, and great views from the rampart walk)
- Clermont (east of Beauvais) (an attractive market town)
- Senlis (a beautiful, calm old city with a fine cathedral, albeit not one of the most exciting)
- les Andelys (especially for its setting beside the Seine, below Richard the Lionheart’s castle)
- St-Valéry-sur-Mer (watching the fishermen and the yachts)
- Fécamp (a real town with a harbour, not just a seaside resort)
- St-Saens (near the Forest of Eawy; it felt like an attractive and typical small town, however was enlivened for us by watching two brides turn up within a few minutes of each other outside the same church!)

I have written in separate threads about the churches and museums we visited.
 
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St-Valéry-sur-Mer
Oops! I should have written St-Valéry-en-Caux.
 
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Wow! Thank you so much for this, and for the churches and museums recap as well. This is great information and is adding to my urge to spend some time in that area.
 
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Thanks for a very useful and pleasant report. This is a part of Normandy we haven't visited in a long time. Now we want to return.

You've changed my attitude about regional museums (though I still think most of them are priced too high) and I have made note of some of the towns you liked.
 
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