ROMA -Il governo ha approvato il decreto flussi 2004 per gli stagionali, autorizzando l'ingresso di 50mila lavoratori stranieri, che verranno impiegati nei settori dell'agricoltura, del turismo e dei servizi. Read about it HERE. Click on Stagionali. Approvato il decreto flussi 2004: 50mila ingressi.
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Only gave this a quick look but it looks as if it is for 50K from only a few countries (those that will become part of the EU in May as well as Romania, Serbia-Montenegro, Bulgaria, Croazia, Tunisia, Albania, Marocco, Moldavia, Egitto) There will be another decree in June but for seasonal workers and again from many of the countries above. Not exactly perfect for the group here Would be nice if one day they decided to allow let's say 1000 visas for the hard working people who we see on this and other boards who have the dream.
quote:Originally posted by Cristina: ... There will be another decree in June but for seasonal workers and again from many of the countries above. Not exactly perfect for the group here Would be nice if one day they decided to allow let's say 1000 visas for the hard working people who we see on this and other boards who have the dream.
I guess the Italian government is trying to take off the streets the "ladies" from those countries that are or were infesting Italy lately and the "gentlemen" that were taking them to Italy with a false job contract. Trying to make all legal?... On the other hand, did you know that according to Italy statistics, the marriages between Italians and women from those countries have increased 300%? This information was provided by RAI News Go figure
"Canto alla vita alla sua bellezza ad ogni sua ferita ogni sua carezza..."
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[This message was edited by Westsider on 07 January 2004 at 08:36 PM.]
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The H-1B visa program allows American companies and universities to import foreign scientists, engineers and programmers. Im sure this is quite a dif group of employees from the new one Bush is proposing... still very interesting timing, or not :-)
The 50,000 are seasonal laborers )in the fields of agriculture, tourism and service)and not enough for the needs. They are also only from the countries I listed above. The law for the US are for undocumented workers, most of which are Hispanic, will be allowed to stay for 3 years ONLY but will get a green card for those 3 years and will be able to go back home for visits without fear of getting caught crossing the border.
quote:Originally posted by Ling in Italy: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Blackbird: I see a similar decree pertaining to foreign workers in the US has been issued by President Bush of late.
No, the Italian decree is totally different to the American. There are millions of undocumented workers in the United States ...[edited for content] (the majority of those workers are from Mexico and some South American countries). As Cristina mentions, it is supposed to be a "break" for only 3 years. [edited for content] What's going to happen when the 3 years are gone? [edited for content]
quote: MUST BE near ELECTION TIME You've got it!
quote:WESTSIDER... would this 50K be similar to H1B visas in the states? just curious.
Cristina posted the answer already
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quote:Originally posted by Ling in Italy: The H-1B visa program allows American companies and universities to import foreign scientists, engineers and programmers. Im sure this is quite a dif group of employees from the new one Bush is proposing... still very interesting timing, or not :-)
The H-1B visa not only is for the scientists, engineers and programmers. The financial/banking corporations bring hundreds of foreign employees too, not only Europeans, Asians but lots of Hispanic from the Third World. Most of them not because they are more capable than the Americans but because they usually speak more than one language and have attended overseas schools and travelled extensively. Unfortunately, Americans don't like to go to other countries, not even for vacation, well, Barbados and Bermuda don't count, but because they think they have it all here.
The "quite different group" consist of hard working people that are paid minimum wages and take jobs that Americans consider too "low" for them or because the pay is extremely ridiculous. The same is going to happen in Italy. Italians are going to have a harder time finding a suitable job because of this invasion of foreigners willing to work for peanuts. For them, better have something than nothing at all.
"Canto alla vita alla sua bellezza ad ogni sua ferita ogni sua carezza..."
"I sing to life, to its beauty, to each of its wounds and each of its caresses..."
[This message was edited by Westsider on 09 January 2004 at 10:29 AM.]
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They forgot to mention that filling out the paperwork and all the approvals takes months. Hey, I am still waiting for my renewal of my Permesso di Soggiorno from last April. I cannot imagine being a new person. Probably will take around a year.
Saluti, Brian
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quote:Originally posted by Westsider: The H-1B visa not only is for the scientists, engineers and programmers. The financial/banking corporations bring hundreds of foreign employees too, not only Europeans, Asians but lots of Hispanic from the Third World. Most of them not because they are more capable than the Americans but because they usually speak more than one language and have attended overseas schools and travelled extensively.
I wont make a categorical statement here, but having worked in the engineering industry, with close friends in HR, THEY would target engineers from southeast asian countries not because those people may have travelled extensively or happen to be fluent in other languages, you mentioned two words which jumped out as their PRIMARY search criteria: overseas schools [education]... seems some countries have higher educational standards than the US, go figure!
quote:The "quite different group" consist of hard working people that are paid minimum wages and take jobs that Americans consider too "low" for them or because the pay is extremely ridiculous.
i agree that these people are hardworking and eager to take jobs many Americans consider too "low"
Americans don't like travelling out of the states? hahaha... I've known some ppl like that, it's strange to me... even more odd when they live 12miles from downtown Chicago for more than 10years and STILL havent seen the Sears Tower! (in person, that is!).
ling
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[This message was edited by Cristina on 09 January 2004 at 12:38 PM.]
Folks I think that we have explored this topic as far as it needs to go (who is allowed to come to Italy and work out of those 50k people). So let's move on okay
quote:Originally posted by Ling in Italy: I wont make a categorical statement here, but having worked in the engineering industry, with close friends in HR, THEY would target engineers from southeast asian countries not because those people may have travelled extensively or happen to be fluent in other languages, you mentioned two words which jumped out as their PRIMARY search criteria: overseas schools [education]... seems some countries have higher educational standards than the US, go figure!
Ling, before we "move on", I just want you to know that I mentioned those two words only because I didn't want the rest of Americans to jump on my throat if I mention the poor education they receive here
quote: i agree that these people are hardworking and eager to take jobs many Americans consider too "low". Americans don't like travelling out of the states? hahaha... I've known some ppl like that, it's strange to me... even more odd when they live 12miles from downtown Chicago for more than 10years and STILL havent seen the Sears Tower! (in person, that is!).
Again, I couldn't be that honest either without taking the risk to be sent to the corner by the moderators.
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Some Americans like to travel, some don't. And I bet some Italians like to travel, and some don't. There are probably people living in small towns in Lazio who have never been to the Vatican museums. And I have not been to Museum Hill which is one mile away from me in Santa Fe. Does that make me a failed person?
In all countries, some people are well educated, some are not. I got my personal crappy education in Canada, but many Canadians get a great education. Same with Americans. Same with Italians.
What we don't want here are blanket statements - summing up a whole country with one opinion. Or judgements of a whole country.
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Would be nice if one day they decided to allow let's say 1000 visas for the hard working people who we see on this and other boards who have the dream.
Go figure 
