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I'm in the midst of planning a trip for next May and I've been using this board for lots of ideas and information (it's such a fabulous resource!), but I thought I might throw out a couple questions... (I have searched for these topics and found some info, but I could always use more!)

I am interested in seeing a couple places that I've wanted to see for quite a while, but somehow we keep missing on earlier trips: Villa Lante and the Tarot Garden. I'm trying to pick a central spot that would be easy to daytrip both of these. Would Viterbo be good? Or is there somewhere else that you think would be better? We could either just stay a couple nights to see these two sites, or if it looks like there's a lot more to see, then stay a whole week. But we are also planning to stay a week in southern Tuscany or Umbria.

I'm also planning to spend some time (5 days or so) on the Ligurian coast. We've stayed in Vernazza a couple times and love it, but I thought it would be nice to try something new. I like the small, quaintness of Vernazza and the plethora of fabulous restaurants. It would be nice to find a town that has that same quality (but maybe without quite so many Americans!). Also it would need to be convenient for train trips because we'll be without a car for this portion of the trip. One town that I was considering was Ventimiglia, which has been mentioned on this board a couple times, but is rarely mentioned in guidebooks.

So the basic plan (very rough at this point) is:

Fly into Rome, stay for 4 nights
Train to Viterbo??? - 2-7 nights?
Pick up car, drive to Tuscany/Umbria vacation rental - 7 nights
Drop car in Florence, stay for 3 nights
Train to Ligurian coast??? - 5-7 nights?
Then either train to Milan and fly out or spend some time in Verona and/or lake district before flying out.

Comments, suggestions and personal opinions are welcome and appreciated!
-Krista
 
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I don't know where Villa Lante is, but the Tarot Gardens are in southwestern Tuscany, near Capalbio. Instead of Viterbo, I would stay in southern Tuscany. Maybe somewhere near Saturnia or Monte Argentario. OR spend a whole week in southern Tuscany south of Pienza and do day trips to these places. Then have your second week either in the Chianti region of Tuscany (to see a different area) or in Umbria.

You could also base yourself in Orvieto or nearby, to see the Tarot Gardens.

There are lots of great places in Liguria - Lerici, Portovenere, Levanto (the next town north of the Cinque Terre) or further north to Santa Margherita Ligure. Since you have been in Vernazza a couple of times, I would go for Lerici on this trip. It is close to Tuscany, and there are some wonderful hilltowns to explore in that part of Liguria. We spent a week near Lerici a few years ago and loved the area.
 
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I Googled Villa Lante and see it is in Bagnaia, near Viterbo.
Villa Lante - InItaly page
Villa Lante - Italy Italy page

If it were me, I would pick up the rental car in Rome and spend the afternoon in Villa Lante on the way to a week in southern Tuscany. See the Tarot gardens from there as a day trip.

Tarot Garden

Remember, vacation rentals are Saturday to Saturday usually. You could easily do two different vacation rentals on this trip.
 
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Hello,
I think Pauline's plan is basically very sound. Strangely enough we visted Villa Lante last October after we had been to Liguria for the first time. We stayed in Umbria, a place we love as a base which wasn't at all convenient for visting gardens in Lazio but it certainly worked out!

If you just want to vist Villa Lante then I would go with Pauline's suggestion but if you want to vist Villa D'Este or Palazzo Farnese at Caparola then it would make sense to find a base in Lazio for a couple of nights, perhaps close to Tivoli. Viterbo is also worth an afternoon's visit as it's mediaeval centre is fascinating and there are many more gardens if you are a real fan as you no doubt know ? We are returning to Lazio next Spring so we can vist more of the gardens in the area. We will be staying at La Torretta (a prize from the ST contest ) www.latorrettabandb.com.

As for the Ligurian leg of your trip can you fly home from Genoa? That is what we would do but we live in the UK so it may not work for you!

Happy planning!
Wendy

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Hi!

I must admit that until few weeks ago, I had no idea that there was a Tarot Garden in the area, until a couple who was staying at Casina di Rosa went there and left us the brochure.

It is a great place, it's in a village near Capalbio called Gravicchio.

I think if you want to see both that and "southern Tuscany", which I imagine is Montalcino, Pienza & co., you could even consider something around Montalcino, it's not a very long drive, an hour or so depending on traffic.

And as far as Ventimiglia, it's very different from Vernazza, but I really like it. It has an ancient part and the new areas. It's lively, but closer to France than to the rest of Italy! Wink
 
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Viterbo is a lovely little town, pretty much overlooked by foreign tourists -- fitting at least one aspect of your specifications. It's one of the most carefully maintained medieval places of some size in central Italy, lots of old churches, narrow medieval streets with arched doorways, lions carved on just about every conceivable surface; and then there's the Palace of the Popes. It's a dormitory town for rich Romans, especially in the field of the arts, movies, etc.; as you might expect, good restaurants, and a cultured city, concerts and so on. In itself, Viterbo is well worth several days' stay, to say nothing of all the sights in the immediate area, which include most of the best Etruscan stuff anywhere.
   Easy to get to from Rome: train line (a private line, not the FS) from its own station at the Porta Flaminia, with very frequent trains, averaging every fifteen minutes thru most of the day.

Ventimiglia is another ball of fur. The town itself is overshadowed by its traditional rôle as Border With France; there's a lower town with the train station and many, many cheap to medium hotels, and — last time I was there, which was before the unified eurocurrency — most of the other buildings in the lower town were given over to luxury goods that were far cheaper in Italy than in France since the French had a history of artificially maintaining their currency high. The bustling border-town markets of Ventimiglia may now be a thing of the past.
   The upper town of Ventimiglia, on a fairly steep hill on the other side of the river, is a very moldy, decayed, and poor-looking sort of place, with a great deal of atmosphere, beautiful views of the sea, and a Roman theatre.
   All in all, I'm not sure I'd actively recommend the place, but it's not bad by any means: I personally like it, as you can probably tell. It certainly is not the run-of-the-mill tourist destination, either.
 
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Dear KHB, you are absolutely right about wanting to see Villa Lante, which is located in Bagnaia, a few kms. from Viterbo....its the "mother of all Italian gardens" and makes a wonderful contrast to Niki St. Phalle's modern Tarot garden, just over the Lazio-Tuscan border . A whole section of my latest book (which two lucky people have won in the 3rd anniversary competition) is the description of what Villa Lante was like in 1776...remarkably little has changed.
I'm biased but think that a couple of days in the Viterbo area , which is fast becoming discovered (Elderhostel has a 4 night program here as of September), will make any garden enthusiast very happy.


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Edith Wharton liked Villa Lante too !
I am pleased there is encouragement for you to vist Viterbo on the board.
Lazio is much maligned but there are many little nuggets of beauty and interest as well as a host of spectacular gardens.
Wendy
 
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Thank you.... I think these are great suggestions. I'm going to start really focusing on finding one vacation rental in Southern Tuscany and maybe the second one in Umbria - that should make it easy to do my day trip to the Tarot Garden. Then I will either stop at Villa Lante on the way or will spend a night or two in Lazio... La Torretta looks really nice, but is it pricey? It sounds like there is more to see in that area (Viterbo, etc.) if we want to take the time.

By the way, I love touring gardens, but we haven't visited many gardens in Italy before. I just found out about Villa Lante because there were a number of pictures of it in a gardening book that I just got. We are planning to do some work on our own little garden in a Mediterranean style and these sort of things are a great inspiration, or, given their vast scale and beauty, a source of frustration and torture... depending on my mood.

As for that other "ball of fur" (Bill, I love that expression!) Ventimiglia, I'm thinking that it might be a little out of the way compared to Lerici, which I'm leaning toward now. Maybe I'll get to Ventimiglia when I can work it into a trip of Northern Italy/Southern France - which I would love to plan, because I've never been to Provence or the French Riviera... planning one trip always leads to planning another, doesn't it???

-Krista
 
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Hello,
No, La Torretta is not expensive, about 100 euros a night I think per room.
I would encourage you to vist Villa D'Este at Tivoli. It is my joint favourite Italian garden with Villa Gamberaia in Florence!
Wendy
 
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