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We will be in Rome for 10 days early October (2nd trip) . We are thinking of taking a day trip to Florence (no museums). Has anyone used a private tour guide for this ? What would be the approximate cost? Party of 4 adults. Would it be better to take a train and just pick up a walking tour in Florence? If so what tour company? Your advice and suggestions..please...thanks
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The Eurostar train runs every hour from Rome to Florence. I would take the train and hire a guide in Florence. Otherwise you are paying for a car and a guide to drive you from Rome to Florence - probably a 3 hour drive - and traffic can be very thick on the autostrada near Florence.

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Buy your train tickets a day or two before - the trains can be sold out.

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Taking a day trip to florence from Rome is like staying in Los Angeles and taking a day trip to San Francisco.RR
 
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Come on, Robert!
More like staying in Los Angeles and taking a day trip to San Diego. Smile

nealpt,
I agree with Pauline about just taking the train; it's a quick and easy trip via the EuroStar. In addition to the link Pauline posted, if you search the message board you'll find other tour guide recommendations.
 
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Coleen,San Diego is a 2 hour drive.How long from Florence to Rome? It has to be 3-4 hours.
P.S. I don't go to San Diego for the day I stay overnight at least.RR
 
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Robert it's 90 minute train ride on the Eurostar from Rome to Florence. I'd say akin to being in NYC and visiting Philadelphia for the day.
 
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Florence to Rome is only about an hour on the train.
 
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1.5 hours according to the website, so 3 hours on the train for a daytrip plus getting to the station and getting to where you want, so 4 hours or so in transport for a daytrip.I also don't go to Philadelphia for daytrips from NYC.
going to the Bronx is a daytrip,maybe.Rr
 
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Been watching more and more of these things on the board: the SlowTrav snail is by now moving as fast as a zebra, alas. C'mon folks!

A daytrip to Florence is an insanity, unless
   (a) I'm based in the immediate area;
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   (b) I'm accumulating lots of them, say over a month or a year or five years, chipping away at the town a few hours at a time.
 
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Bill,
We are seeing many more "Zoom Travel" posts lately, which is not the focus of SlowTrav ...

That said, I don't think a day trip to Florence from Rome is out of the bounds of sanity for this poster! Neal noted it's his second trip to Rome, and they'll be there for 10 days. A day trip is reasonable during a stay of that length.

My personal preference for a day trip's travel time is no more than 2 hours one way; I know others have shorter and longer tolerances. IMO, one of the great benefits of train travel is that once you arrive, you're not very far from the center of things.

Neal also said they're not interested in museums. A day in the historic center of Florence is certainly enough to get a "feel" for the city, and to see the Duomo, Ponte Vecchio, Palazzo Vecchio, Santa Croce, or whatever else interests his group.
 
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It is possible to take a Daytrip to Amalfi from Venice also it is only 10 hours by tain so 20 hours round trip which gives you 4 hours left in The day plenty of time to explore the town and have lunch! RR
 
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Many travelers, even Slow Travelers, routinely do day trips to Florence from southern Tuscany. This takes 1 1/2 hours driving - same as the train from Rome. I have done this several times.

I will admit it would be better to spend several nights in Florence, but spending a week in Rome and just going up to Florence for the day is a fine alternative to spending 3 nights in Rome and 3 nights in Florence.

If one of the goals of Slow Travel is to "live like a local" then the locals that I know who live in Rome, frequently do day trips to Florence for special events.
 
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After our first stay in Firenze, we spent many a day driving into firenze from Castellina. In fact, it is only a little longer from Castellina to Firenze (porta Romana) than from Castellina to Volterra. We would get to Firenze around 9am and leave either after a nice dinner or in late afternoon and be home in time to cook dinner ourselves. I don't feel that these day trips in any way tarnished our slow trav status.

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The only thing that would persuade me to make a day trip either to Florence or Rome from the other would be the occasion to see a very good friend for a few hours or some event of consuming interest, or maybe just to ride the train for the fun of it. For just a look-see, I can imagine an overnight.
 
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There seem to be many different opinions on this type of day trip. The idea of taking a Eurostar train does appeal to us. (never been on a eurostar) and hoped to get a feel for Florence. I know it would be a small amount of time, but hopefully it could be our next.. trip to Italy!! If one feels that Florence is too far for a day trip what suggestions would you have for a reasonable day trip from Rome by train or guide?
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Neal-What doesn't appeal to you about the Eurostar? I think that are a great means of transportation, comfortable, efficient, on time and reasonable fare. The train station in Florence is very near the historical center in Florence and right across the street from one of my favorite churches Santa Maria Novella.
That being said, if you are not a Eurostar fan, Ostica Antica is often mentioned as an interesting and easy day trip from Rome.
 
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Colleen,

The idea of taking the euro star train does appeal to us! I thought it sounded exciting!
We did go to Ostica Antica last year and had a great time. I did attempt to use the train link from slow trav, but I could not seem to navigate the site and had difficulty getting price from Rome to Florence. I will attempt to try again.
Thanks,
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Oops-read it wrong! Glad you like the eurostar! And though it would be nice to have a longer stay in Florence, I think you will be able to get the flavor of one of my favorite cities in a daytrip if you leave early enough in the morning.
 
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had difficulty getting price from Rome to Florence.


Here is an itinerary Rome /Florence /Rome for October taken from the Trenitalia website:
Train # 9428 departing Roma Termini @ 07:30 arriving in Firenze S. M. Novella @ 09:06
First class EUR 42,35 Second class EUR 29,44

Return:
Train # 9473 departing Firenze S. M. Novella @ 19:29 arriving in Roma Termini @ 21:05
First class EUR 42,35 Second class EUR 29,44

Travel time each way is 1:36
 
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I just won't do a daytrip to any town too large to walk across in 30 minutes.Exception for the finish of a race, as in May to Faenza,but I ran there.Maybe an exception for a very specific purpose,but to "see" a town as large as Florence? I would go to Siena instead,much of the good things about florence, but more compact,less crowded,closer, and way better for a daytrip,Siena actually deserves at least 2-3 full days if not more, but this is if you really want to see a Tuscan town RR
 
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Siena is closer, but is more complicated to get to by train. The Eurostar (express) runs to Florence, but not to Siena. For Siena, you have to change somewhere to a slower local train. Then the train station is outside of town, so you have a long walk into town. Or a bus ride.
 
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[...] what suggestions would you have for a reasonable day trip from Rome by train or guide?
Neal,
Have you been to Orvieto? Only an hour away from Rome by train, it's a lovely, walkable small city. The cathedral there is one of my very favorites in Italy - the faƧade is glorious! Orvieto cathedral

We have some reviews on SlowTrav for recommended restaurants in Orvieto: click here.
 
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The EuroStars are pleasant; and this is one time, if I wanted a nifty train trip, where I'd plump for 1st class, since the difference with 2d is very noticeable: wide plush seats, like La-Z-Boys.

Except 10% of the time, when they're not. They're totally enclosed, therefore air-conditioned. When the air-conditioning gives out, you can't open any windows. IĀ usually take EuroStars only when IĀ couldn't make a schedule otherwise; I've sweltered on them twice. (Nominally, you get a percentage back if this happens, processed and mailed to you, but the layers of bureaucracy pretty much ensure that the quick visitor to Italy, without fixed address or bank, only in the country for a coupla weeks, will be shafted, so don't bother with the refund.)

Still, it's 4 hours of nothing -- any food by the way is not great, and very expensive -- to say nothing of getting to and from train stations and being constricted by schedules.
   Over dinner my partner maintained it was reasonable (while adding he'd never do it); he says many Americans are used to getting up at 4 to drive across the country when it's cooler and there's less traffic), and so what, the day will be kinda full, and boy are they going to be tired driving that last bit in the dark thru the Raccordo Annulare, but otherwise, why not? We've been fighting like cats and dogs for 3 days, but I just report what I hear. Actually the Dog and the cats get along fine, what an odd expression.
 
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The other Colleen's suggestion of Orvieto is a good one. An easily walkable town, beautiful Duomo, one of my favorite towns for ceramics (and I am a ceramic junkie), scenic vistas of the countryside and great restaurants. And only a 1 hour train ride from Rome!
 
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My 2 cents. We had the same situation - visiting Rome and wanted to see Florence. We signed up with a tour company and had to leave early int he morning on their coach bus. It seemed to take forever to get there. We saw the Pont Devichio (I am sure that is spelled incorrectly) from a hill - that is as close as we got. When we did get into Florence we saw David - just terrific. Then we had over an hour lunch in a smokey room, then we had the afternoon free and a long bus ride back. I wish I would have taken the train and just used a good guide book. So much of our time was 'wasted' in that restaurant waiting for everyone to finish. Florence is wonderful and we will be returning on more than a 3-hour tour (hmmm..Gilligan).
 
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So Siena may not be the easiest,which towns have train stops is southern tuscany? Decide on going to one of those on the Northbound train.RR
 
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.. We are thinking of taking a day trip to Florence (no museums). Has anyone used a private tour guide for this ? What would be the approximate cost? Party of 4 adults. Would it be better to take a train and just pick up a walking tour in Florence? If so what tour company? Your advice and suggestions..please...thanks
Neal


Just wondering how anyone could go to Florence and not see any museums? Confused No David? No Birth of Venus? No Bronze Doors? No Bargello? No Galelieo's telescope (or thumb for that matter?). I know everyone has different tastes, but still... Gelato

We are using Paolo of Driving Guide Tours (email address = dguide@ats.it, web site = http://www.masternet.it/home/IITT/2dgs.htm) for our transfer from Rome to Florence. I can't vouch for him yet, since are trip isn't until September, but he has been MOST helpful via email. I think "Bob the Navigator" is familar with him.

We are also taking some tours with Walking Tours of Florence (http://www.artviva.com). Again, can't say from personal experience whether they are any good or not, but have read nice things about them.

Perhaps a Slow Traveler has first hand experience with either of these companies?

- Kathy (land in Rome 8 weeks from today)
 
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Just wondering how anyone could go to Florence and not see any museums? Confused No David? No Birth of Venus? No Bronze Doors? No Bargello?


Florence is fantastic even without the museums. You can see the Ghiberti doors from the street, and the outside of the Bargello, of course. I've seen the museums of Florence, but it's the living, breathing city that grabs me every time.
 
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Me, I have been to Florence probably 20 times and never seen any of the museums, the David, etc. But that is me.

It seems that many here want to disuade Neal from this trip. I say go for it. 1.5 hours by train is easy, fun and relaxing. If yu catch the early train as was listed before you get there in time to really have a full day and catch the later train back and you are back in ROme, relaxed after a long day but in time for dinner. A perfect day IMO.


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Me, I have been to Florence probably 20 times and never seen any of the museums, the David, etc. But that is me.

There's two of us. I did go to a few expositions, but no museums.


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I agree with Cristina - you have 10 days in Rome, what's one day that's a little longer - especially if you're scouting Florence out.

Heck, if you follow the concentric circle theory, this day would be your outer circle.

My second choice would be Orvieto (as far as ease to get to).
 
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Okay, one more opinion, but this is from a dedicated Forence lover...Go for it!!! Take the early train, maybe arrange to have a private guide in Florence to help you maximaize your time (should be some listed on the ST site), have a leisurely lunch, wander back to some of the sights you learned about in the morning, take the evening train home...what's wrong with that?

As I second choice I too would highly recommend Orvieto!

Whichever town you select, since you're only going to be there for the day, do your research so that you know what you want to see...And as you said, you might just like Florence so much that it will be the main focus of your next trip! We spent a week in Florence in 2002 and loved it!!
 
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