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We are planning to spend two days in Assisi to recover from our flight before renting a car in Foligno and moving on. A stumbling block is how to travel in the most hassle-free way from Fiumicino to Assisi. Our preference would have been the bus, but our flight doesn't get in until 12:30 which is when the bus leaves the airport. I checked the trenitalia website and the trains that leave mid to late afternoon all involve a change either in Orte or Foligno. We will be beyond exhausted by the time we get to Assisi.We are willing to take a shuttle into Rome but I'm not sure that we would be any further ahead. We need help here. Are there options I haven't thought of?
 
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Theresa, are you sure you'll be exhausted? I usually land in the early afternoon and get to Umbria quickly and not tired; for info, I'm 54.

The essential thing is to avoid taking the useless train in to Rome; go to Orte straight from the little station at the airport -- and buy your entire ticket at the window there: at most a 3-minute wait.
 
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Hi Bill

I was just wondering if you have a link for the Fiumicino-Orte train. I used it once or twice but the schedule is not on the Trenitalia page. I guess the train is not a FFSS one. It is a great connection if one happens to be there at the right time.
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No link Letizia -- Trenitalia has not been useful for me -- but the route is an FS route, and is listed as "M70", a metropolitan route, in the printed FS schedule (2004) in front of me.

The line runs from Fiumicino Aeroporto to Roma Trastevere, Ostiense, not Termini, Tuscolana, Tiburtina, Nomentana, various small places, among which Settebagni; most of them terminate at Fara Sabina, which is of no use at all to the traveller going to Umbria or Tuscany, but 16 of them run the whole route from the airport to Orte, usually leaving at 57 past the hour, sometimes at 27 past. The earliest at 0557 (arrival Orte 0759), the latest at 2057 (arrival 2259).

For people going to Umbria or Tuscany, the commonest mistake -- and I still saw it recommended on this site in a recent trip report -- is to go into Rome (unnecessary, much more expensive, and time-consuming), then wrestle with the lines to get tickets there, etc. The Orte route is the simplest, fastest, and cheapest; especially for Umbria, all the more so that some of those trains out of Umbria, you still have to change in Orte!
 
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Curious, I went to the Trenitalia site. The line is there; you just have to enter "Fiumicino Aeroporto" in full. The schedules they give you also list many other Fiumicino departures with changes at Tiburtina, that interleave between the 16 direct ones I mentioned.
 
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Bill, you are amazing. Who knew about this train? So, do we just find the station once we get off the plane and check the schedule? How do we travel from Orte to Assisi?

Just to clarify the fatigue issue - my husband has diabetes and very little energy. I promised to try to find the easiest way to do this trip. It looks like we're on to something.
 
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You're a sweetheart Theresa, but I have only two or three strings to my bow, and you bumbled on one of them; I harp on it endlessly, because it really is a useful tip.

So here goes, again: when you get off your plane, you go to the train station, as everybody does who's not renting cars or the rare few taking buses.

When you're in that train station, you have to go to the ticket window to take a train. The fact that 99% of "everybody" is mindlessly going on that crowded train to Rome at the grossly inflated prices, doesn't oblige you to do the same, and that very same window is a full-service window completely capable of issuing a ticket say from Aosta to Bari, or an abbonamento (monthly pass) from Caserta to Venice. The guys don't like it much, don't expect it, and even attempt to resist, but they have to sell them to you if you ask them.

So you go there, and ask for a ticket "Fiumicino ad Assisi per Orte senza passare per Roma". You will be delivered a ticket from the airport to Assisi. (I'm simplifying just a tiny bit now, since they now deliver you 2 tickets for some reason, covering the whole trip, but the principle is the same.)

The waiting time is next to nil.

You don't spend the umpteen euros for the brief trip into Rome. (The train to Rome is specially priced, at an expensive price, to soak foreign visitors: whereas the rest of the rail system is highly subsidized.)

The trains to Orte always have seats (the Rome train is standing room only if you get onboard towards the end of the wait for it).

You don't have to negotiate the crowded station in Rome.

You don't have to change trains in the large crowded train station in Rome. The station in Orte is 4 platforms and no crowds at all.

You don't have to wait in horrid lines, up to 45 minutes, to buy your ticket in Rome (the automatic ticket machines sometimes work, and sometimes don't; especially if you're going to an odd final destination: you'll go thru the whole process, and the screen will then tell you sorry, we can't do this here, go to a ticket window).

And many trains from Rome to Umbria involve changing in Orte anyway: so you get to Orte directly instead of with a change in Rome.

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So: go to the window, buy your ticket. Go to Orte (the platform on the left -- the one on the right is where everybody else will be sheepfully trotting). Times are quite plainly posted.

At the little station in Orte, video monitors and track monitors, as well as paper schedules (tabelloni) list the trains out. The line is usually Ancona, with change in Foligno, and often the change in Foligno is cleverly scheduled, and short, to accommodate Assisi visitors: after all Assisi is a very common destination.

(I'll admit that there is a line to Assisi that goes direct from Rome instead: Rome to Florence via Foligno, Spello, Assisi, Perugia, Terontola. It's far less frequent than the Orte-Ancona lines, though; if you decide to take it, you still buy your entire thru-ticket at the little station at the airport. And it still goes thru Orte! so you can catch it from Orte, which you will get to earlier than if you went to Rome.)
 
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If I'm reading the train schedule correctly there do seem to be some trains that go directly from Orte to Assisi, probably not at times that are helpful to as though. Once again, you have been a tripsaver and we thank you.
 
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Would you consider two nights in Rome, then picking up your car in Rome and heading out? I know I am different from most people here, but I am exhausted after an overseas flight and am totally grumpy if I can't stumble off the plane, into a cab, and to a hotel.

BUT the downside of this is we arrive around 9am, so have to pay an extra night hotel so we can check in right away (but they might give you a discount on that first night).
 
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I suppose anything is possible. This is our first time driving in Italy and I was hoping to avoid Rome altogether. And. of course, there is the difference in cost between the Hotel Pallotta in Assisi for 48 euros and whatever we would have to pay in Rome! The theory is that we would spend a couple of days in a "heavenly" place without a car, then gather ourselves up and forge ahead. Not sure if it will work as well as I imagined.

Bill, any idea of the cost of all these various trains? Do we need cash on hand to buy our tickets?
 
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Theresa, I hope you weren't planning on arriving in Italy with no local money. My own rule of thumb is the equivalent, in cash, of about $100 US before ever landing: ya never know what may happen.

Cost: not much. My diary for Feb. 25, 2004 reports 9.65 euro for Rome-Orte-Terni. Assisi would be a bit more, maybe a total of 15E.

(I have a feeling you're worrying too much.... Make sure you have a bit of cash, and buy your ticket when you get there: you'll have to anyway. Millions of people do it every day after all, it's set up to be easy: relax!)

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Bill- Thanks for the great detailed instructions on how to buy tickets for the Orte train at the airport. Does this route work for Orvieto as well? Although I think it would be easier to just get a rental car from the airpot, my husband (the driver) doesn't think he wants to do that in a jet lagged state.
 
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Yes.

Orte is at the junction of two important lines: Rome-Florence and Rome-Ancona. Anything on those lines goes thru Orte; and Orte, you get to direct from the airport.

On those lines: Orvieto, Chiusi, Arezzo; Narni, Terni, Spoleto, Trevi, Foligno; and other destinations in Tuscany and Umbria.

Not on the lines, but a change from them: Todi, Perugia, Spello, Assisi, Gubbio, Siena; every other destination in Umbria; many other destinations in Tuscany.


A graphic makes it crystal-clear:

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Great! if you have posted this info before, I apoligize but do you have a link for Orte train schedules? To think we can go right from the airport to Orvieto without changing trains is awesome!
 
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Round and round.... From the airport, you can only go direct to Rome and Orte (and some minor places N of Rome, that are almost never useful for the tourist).

You change in Orte. If you go to Rome, you change in Rome. The difference is that the change in Orte is faster, cheaper, and far less crowded; and sometimes the train from Rome still requires a change in Orte, making 2 changes instead of one.

The Orte train schedules, like all the other FS train schedules, are online at Trenitalia.
 
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Found a site with a detailed schedule for the Orte train from FCO airport:
www.adr.it/content.asp?Subc=1362&L=3tidMen=731
Looks like the timing won't work for us but it's nice to have an option to avoid going into Rome.
 
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Colleen, that's the same schedule (of course) as the Trenitalia schedule. (If others aren't getting a page, the link is actually here.)

How can you tell the schedule is no good for you, though? (Unless you're coming in on a Sunday or holiday, when every 2 hours does look a bit thin; or of course very late in the afternoon when you may not have the time to get to Umbria by nightfall.) It's impossible to predict when you'll clear the entry formalities and baggage claim.
 
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I usually enter a Trenitalia search with "Roma Aeroporto"; that's less prone to typos than Fiumicino, although I know how to spell it.

The problem with relying entirely on the Orte train is that it only goes at 57 past the hour and takes two hours. You can take the FM1 train that leaves at 27 past (the same line, which doesn't go to Termini, but at this hour it doesn't go as far as Orte), change at Roma TIBURTINA, and get to Orte in 1.5 hours. For example, Airport-Orte:

Direct train 12.57-14.59
Change at Tiburtina 13.27-14.58

Theresa, I don't know if you'll be claiming luggage and clearing passport control, but I don't think the 12.57 train would be realistic. The 13.27 starts to be possible; on Trenitalia it shows you connecting at Tiburtina and Foligno (forget Orte) and getting to Assisi at 16.32. You might print out your options both routing it as Roma Aeroporto-Assisi and as separate trips broken up at Orte, and see which works out at the time you reach the airport station. If you change at Tiburtina, know that several Rome stations have names starting with T; the station before Tiburtina is Tuscolana.

The SULGA bus to Assisi leaves Tiburtina station at 2 p.m., but I don't think you count on making that even with a taxi.
 
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Curious, I went to the Trenitalia site. The line is there; you just have to enter "Fiumicino Aeroporto" in full. The schedules they give you also list many other Fiumicino departures with changes at Tiburtina, that interleave between the 16 direct ones I mentioned.


Hi Bill thanks for the details. This train keeps being elusive. I had tried everything but NOT "Fiumicino aeroporto" as a key word for the search. It seems they do not want people to know about it.
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No matter what,it looks like a two planes, three trains and a bus (and probably a divorce) by the time we arrive in Assisi. Is overnighting in Orte any kind of an option? I can't find any information on hotels. Otherwise maybe we'll have to think about staying near the airport or in Rome for the night and heading out the next day.
 
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There are definitely one, and maybe two, hotels in Orte. The definite one is the Calù, which I misreported last year on this board as having shut its doors, but I saw it (or rather its caffĆ©-bar) open this spring, and just to check, even went and asked the barman, he confirmed, yes, it's open. It's right across from the little station, and very convenient. On the other hand, I'd hardly recommend it as an intro to Umbria: it's like a 1960s YMCA. (Diary, Nov. 15, 1998, Sep. 21, 2000.)

The Calù is at Piazza Giovanni XXIII (Orte Scalo) — just the name for the square in front of the station — phone 761-40-0147.

The simplest thing, in view of your husband's low resistance, is to overnite in Rome.

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phone 761-40-0147


That should start with a zero, I believe; start it 0761 whether dialing from Italy or after country code 39 if dialing from abroad.

You can get yellow page listings of hotels in Orte atwww.paginegialle.it by entering Alberghi on the first line and Orte on the second. They highlight (advertise) a couple of motels at the autostrada exit.
 
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Bill – Here is where I get confused. The Trenitalia site shows the train from FCO leaving for Orte only every two hours and the site you gave shows it leaving every hour. Why do you think that would be?

Using Trenitalia’s site, the direct train to Orte would depart FCO at 14.57 – arriving 21 stops later in Orte at 16:59. The next train to Assisi departs Orte at 18:17 and after another change of trains in Foligno, finally arrives at 19:31. Even if there is a train leaving FCO every hour and there is truly a departure at 13:57 – the first connecting train from Orte to Assisi departs at 18:17 - still arriving Assisi at 19:31 – again with a change in Foligno.

Using grif305’s routing – one would arrive in Assisi at 16:32 – still having two change of trains – three hours earlier.

For your train routing, are you using a website different from Trenitalia? If so, I would appreciate it.

With all due respect, I know many times in the past you’ve posted your preference for the FCO – Orte routing, but personally I find the 21 stops in 2 hours very unsettling to me.

I have never found any discomfort at the main train station in Rome. Changing trains there has always been very easy.

As to ticketing, you mentioned that the tickets from FCO to Assisi via Orte can all be purchased at the FCO train station. This is true – as can all tickets for any other routing. It is not necessary to the Express to Rome and get back in another ticket line there.

Again – with all due respect to everyone - using grif305’s routing – one would arrive in Assisi at 16:32 – still having two change of trains – three hours earlier – without the 21 stops of the FCO to Orte route.

Yes, it might cost a few euro more to take grif305’s route, but for me, it would be worth it.


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Yes, the phone number should start with a zero; I left it off when converting from the 39/ format.

As for the trains, I like to keep things simple, and look at the line as being Airport-Orte-Umbria; but, as I mentioned early on, between the Orte trains, there are others involving a change at Tiburtina. This removes the advantage of fewer changes, and Tiburtina is a big station, so removes the advantage of simplicity and less hassle: leaving only the advantage of less cost.

It's incredible how complicated this has become to so many of you, though. The basic idea is simple: all trains that leave Rome for Florence and anywhere in Umbria, go thru Orte anyway: since there is a direct train to Orte from the airport, I just hop on the train to Orte: why go to Rome?

I've been using "Rome" as shorthand for "Termini", and that may have been part of the problem. Tiburtina is in Rome, but is not the main station. The Tiburtina trains don't go to Termini either.

So -- if you don't mind changing, or the schedules are better, OK, instead of waiting for the train to Orte, grab the first thing out (that is not the prominent line to Rome-Termini), and deal with it flexibly, changing in Tiburtina or in Orte, as required.
   Orte trains, just sit on them till the terminus -- another point in their favor. The Tiburtina trains will be marked "Fara Sabina", and you'll have to pay attention to the stations, and get off before the terminus.

I've done the Tiburtina train myself: June 22, 2000, my plane touched down at 0738, and at 1159 I was in good fresh air at Fossato -- much farther than Assisi. My diary gives the details and comments on the ease of it all; even though I'd taken the non-Termini train on previous trips, I was still amazed at how simple and efficient it was.

It is impossible to predict what time we will find ourselves on the platform at Fiumicino. So much overplanning!! Just look at the schedules on the non-Rome train, see if they work, take the first one that does. Buy your entire ticket at the little window. The whole process is very simple; so many people have such resistance to not going to Rome though, that the explanations are far more complicated than the thing itself, but common sense works wonders.

If you have a bit of waiting time, you can sit and eat or drink at the Miami right there in the station, which is not expensive.

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Thanks, Bill, that helps somewhat. To the uninitiated train traveller this is a maze. First of al it is tricky, to put it mildly, to get on to the trenitalia website, then to know on which particular day how to type in the stations to advance to the schedule, then to figure out which trains go where via which stops, when to stay on, when to change. Not having done this before, not knowing the language - major disadvantages. More to ponder...
 
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>>I've done the Tiburtina train myself: June 22, 2000, my plane touched down at 0738, and at 1159 I was in good fresh air at Fossato -- much farther than Assisi.<<

Bill, you should note--in the interest of full disclosure--whether you checked any luggage on the plane for this trip. For those of us who don't travel as light as you do, the baggage claim procedure can be quite time consuming and delay-causing.

And, as others have noted, the lines at passport control have been longer than customary recently....both for arrivals and departures.

So unless there is a lot of good luck contributing to making all the connections, your example may be more of an ideal than a reasonable expectation.
 
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>>First of al it is tricky, to put it mildly, to get on to the trenitalia website,<<

Once again, if you are having trouble with Trenitalia, I recommend trying the German rail site. I find the display easier to read and the page easier to navigate.

http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en
 
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all trains that leave Rome for Florence and anywhere in Umbria, go thru Orte anyway: since there is a direct train to Orte from the airport, I just hop on the train to Orte: why go to Rome?


Bill - you are absolutely correct that all trains that go from Rome to Florence DO GO through Orte.

The only problem is that all those trains DO NO STOP in Orte.

I guess you could wave to everyone as those trains sped through the Orte station.


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Jim, luggage: sometimes yes, sometimes no. In 2000, no. The useful thing the lurker should retain from that, of course, is that it pays to travel very light!

Bill, Florence: since I don't go to Florence, no, I didn't realize that. For Umbria it holds good, though: everything stops in Orte. (Mind you, if you've jumped the gun by changing at Tiburtina, you don't need to get off at Orte Big Grin -- Gosh you'd think I owned stock in Orte; but it's not even a place I like terribly much.)
 
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Bill Sutherland, perhaps you were entering a Sunday date on Trenitalia when you saw the train to Orte only every two hours? On other days, it shows hourly on the Trenitalia site. I put in tomorrow's date (Monday, July 26); again, it shows the direct train taking two hours but the change at Tiburtina taking 1.5 hours. You have the direct train 13.57-15.59, or a change at Tiburtina 14.27-15.58.

Theresa, my advice for your situation would be to overnight in Rome and take a train or bus to Assisi in the morning. From Termini, I see Eurostar, changing at Foligno, leaving 7.38, arriving 9.35; a direct, regular (without supplement) train 8.14-10.24, another Eurostar Foligno connection 9.38-11.31. There are SULGA direct buses from Tiburtina at 7.15 and 8.15; the latter arrives at 11.10.
 
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Another option to consider for getting to Assisi is to fly into Perugia (through Milan). There are two flights a day--one in the morning and one in the evening. If the connection worked, you will end up minutes from Assisi by taxi.
 
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grif - you're probably right.

Jim - too late as we already have our flight booked. We did look at this option and thought the extra cost not really worth it, but that was before we realized how crazy this excursion would be.

Now - to track down a hotel...
 
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Bill: sorry if this is dense and you are a most patient man , but how would you go from say Chiusi to FCO?
 
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I'm not a Bill, but on Trenitalia you can search a trip from Chiusi to Roma Aeroporto. I searched this with an earliest time of 7 a.m., and it shows a split of possibilities changing at Termini or Tiburtina stations in Rome. The Termini trains I checked don't even stop at Orte. The Tiburtina train (for example, leaving Chiusi at 8.32) stops at Orte, but changing there would get you to the airport later. Changing at Tiburtina would be cheaper than Termini.

Edited to add: I see from the ADR page that the FM1 train leaves Orte for FCO at 14 past the hour, but doesn't run between 9.14 and 12.14.
 
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